ricebike
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 12:24:32 AM
well then... this should have been a LOCAL topic,
not supposed to be on a national section of these forums
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67Lane
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 2:22:07 PM
Discounted "Tax Exempt" (not off road) Diesel only for commercial vehicles with an ICC#.
is an Indiana Problem.
Indiana allows Truck Stops and gas stations to post the discounted sales tax exempt on the outside Diesel Price Signs.
Gas buddy asks us not to post "discounted" prices
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DesertRat2011
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:03:47 AM
In Calif. all vehicle pay the same price for diesel. So what is posted as the cash price is what I post.
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 1:45:58 AM
very few stations around my area that has "off-road" diesel
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Petrothirst
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 6:16:59 PM
Some people just lack the intelligence or education to copy the numbers they see and transfer them to GasBuddy. Just be grateful that you're not one of these people and that you don't go through life showing people what an idiot you are.
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OceansidePoms
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 4:52:23 PM
There are a growing number of users, especially new users who do not go to the stations at all. They either make up prices, find junk data online or copy other users' real prices that are old by the time they re-post them. Other than that this may just be an Indiana problem, which should be handled in your local forum.
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67Lane
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 4:27:25 PM
This is an Indiana problem.
Indiana allows gas stations/truck stops to post a discounted price on the outdoor gas/diesel price sign. station or truck stop is allowed to discount Indiana sales tax off a gallon of diesel fuel.
This discount only applies to commercial vehicles with ICC numbers.
Gasbuddy asks not to post discounted prices.
Indiana's "Tax Exempt" diesel price is a discounted price.
[Edited by: 67Lane at 4/20/2012 5:27:55 PM EST]
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fatfed
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 10:22:22 AM
because they do not go to stations and check them out
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monettnamreg
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 8:30:46 AM
I post what the price states at the gas stations as i pass by them
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chemist74
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 8:26:39 AM
This must be a local issue. I have never seen a regular station that had tax-exempt diesel.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 7:56:20 AM
I post the price the station posts. No farm diesel here in Nashville at nearly all stations.
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pper
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 7:55:24 AM
Too many people are interested in getting points for the drawing and don't care about accuracy.
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Pray4Peace
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 7:43:50 AM
You know, this site used to be fun to come on and read the posts and join the discourse about gas prices and learn the lowest prices in my area.
Now it's became just a nasty place for bickering and picking apart what other people have scored in points, or achieved in posts. It just ain't that much fun anymore. I had a Labyrinthitis seizure and haven't been able to drive much because of the severe vertigo that follows so I can't post prices unless I cheat. So I can't get the points I need every week. Maybe someone wants to jump on my case about that. Whatever. It just ain't that much fun or even educational anymore. You can have it.
[Edited by: Pray4Peace at 4/20/2012 8:44:57 AM EST]
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67Lane
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 10:33:14 PM
Indiana is only one of two states that allow the state sales "Tax Exempt" Diesel Fuel Price to be posted on the outside gas price signs. This is a topic of the Indiana discussion site.
Indiana allows gas stations to post "Tax Exempt" diesel price outside because Indiana allows vehicles with ICC numbers to deduct the sales tax at the point of sale, - the truck stop/gas station. Other states have the trucking company file for the exemption with their state tax forms, not at the truck stop/gas station.
This is not "off-road" or farm diesel, this is highway diesel with all the Federa; and State Road taxes included.
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 1:24:49 PM
Posting "bull!@#$%" is what it is all about. The more the better.
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:45:04 PM
Hello Daurel. My late brother used to live in Newberry, Indiana. It has been since 1995 when I visited your state, but I do have a question. You mention "TAX Exempt price" and I would like a clarification. When I went to your state, I found that there was a sales tax added to the price of the pump. It did catch me unawares. Is that what you are referring to, the added sales tax? Take care :-) .
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 6:08:26 PM
No unless you think $.27 is acceptable.
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 4:31:47 PM
Well, maybe they are a bit nearsighted and could benefit from having their eyes checked every once in a while. They do post within an acceptable range, don't they? Nobody is perfect, you know.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 10:25:20 AM
Daurel:
"Suggestion WHY DON'T you go jump on antguzzle backside for 0ver 19 thread starters and NO GAS PRICE POSTS???"
I'm not jumping on anyone's backside, nor do I remember seeing antguzzle's posts. But, if I noted his (her) lack of contributions, I likely would have said something. To me, the value of this website is membership participation, especially the participation by long time members. The more we can contribute, you and me, the more we help the other person, and the more they can contribute, the more they help us. A comment from one long time member, in another thread, was that the last gas or diesel price posted, especially if its one that's after you get the points for posting, might be the one price that most helps the next person. And that price post, by them, might be the one price that helps you most.
That's not jumping on backsides. Not in my opinion.
"I have complained about LOWHACK this jerk spammed posted gas prices for OVER SIX (6) mo."
I know. Not about that specific member but since the advent of the Gas Buddy app, it's becoming more and more common that people post prices (real or copied or assumed) for the "awards". As for "...stations that DO NOT EVEN HAVE DIESEL PUMPS", one of the problems - and I'm not saying this is what's happening with the member you're talking about - is that is that some gas stations post on their overhead signs the regular and premium price, some post the regular and diesel price, and apparently some (according to some discussion chats) regular and kerosene prices. Adding to the problem is that if, using the app, you only post the regular/mid-grade/premium price and not the diesel price, or only the regular/premium/diesel price and not the mid-grade price, you don't get recognition/acknowledgement for posting a "perfect" posting (i.e., all four prices). Unless you restrict the app posting or eliminate the "awards", I don't know how you solve the problem of members wanting to get points or get recognition. Or get them to not make honest errors or mistakes from posting on their cell phones as they drive.
"Response??? Nada, none, zip, zilch"
From the moderators? I understand what you're saying. But I understand the moderators receive several hundred e-mails a day. People complaining about everything from why they didn't see the name of the gas card winner from last week, to why they don't get their consecutive streak wings, as well as complaining about "the other guy's posts".
"Complain to the poster??? They know what they are doing and could care less. All they want is the points."
I understand your point. And yes, I know that some could not care less. But I've contacted some fellow Maryland Gas Buddy members to bring their mistakes to their attention. Some acknowledged my comment, some (most don't). Again, maybe I'm naive, but I've tried to give the other members the benefit of the doubt. The worst that happens is they respond to my message and continue what they've been doing, after which I contact the moderators (several times, if necessary). And yes, I realize it can be frustrating.
"I just do not feel I have to complain on a daily basses to get ANYTHING DONE."
I understand. But there are thousands of Gas Buddy members, with new ones joining - especially using the cell phone apps - daily. And there's only so many moderators to review things, let alone to address or rectify problems. Two comments, and you don't have to agree with them:
First, as much as we might want to think that this is a major website, and that there should be perfection in the information posted, the information is voluntarily posted by the membership. And it's accuracy is dependent on the good intent of the members posting. It's no different than Facebook (for example); not everything on Facebook is accurate, and a lot of people are lead to believe or follow what some people say they should do. (One example is to see how many people think that a Facebook "endorsed" or suggested "don't buy gas on this one day" will make a difference, and people blindly agree, and many of them post on these discussion boards saying we should check out Facebook to save gas and money and put "big oil" in their place.)
"Why not post what is going on a national discussion forums?
This is a national web sight and when complaining about a problem here maybe JUST maybe the people that run this site will take notice????"
Because unless you provide more detail, it sounds like a local issue. Just saying that people post the wrong prices for diesel doesn't give the moderators much information to use to solve the problem.
Here's a bottom line, and I'm not suggesting you or anyone take it. If there are significant price post problems, and Gas Buddy prices are deemed unreliable, then there are options. MSN, for example, posts gas prices (based on credit card receipt processing, which means it's potentially less helpful to cash paying customers), as does AOL and MapQuest. Gas Buddy is is useful because it's easy to use, it's as up-to-date in pricing as much as the members voluntarily make it, and for the most part (I think), it's accurate. No, it's not perfect, and it won't be as long as people can enter prices quickly on a small keyboard while driving, or as long as some members want to get recognition (points, awards, etc.).
But we can try to make it better. One of us at a time. And the best thing we can do is post gas prices to help the next guy.
I appreciate your concern, and I appreciate your comments (even if they don't agree with me or if you're being critical of me). But this is just my opinion.
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OceansidePoms
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 9:34:26 AM
I post what is ON the PUMP, I do not add or subtract my own tax ideas! & I post Kerosene price separately in the comments box.
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Wildhare57
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 9:13:17 AM
I just don't understand how hard it is to take the time to look at the prices on the gas station sign - at the Royal Farms near me they post the diesel price (right now $0.04 less than 93) but the Sheetz a block away posts kerosene rather than diesel and some people post the kerosene price as diesel - they obviously can not read or don't care. Drives me nuts!
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 7:56:44 AM
Reply to Gas Buddy
I drive a Diesel I report the price I pay at the pump (which can vary as much as $.27 from the "posted" price) When I buy it.
At least Speedway puts the "pump prices" on the signs.
Suggestion WHY DON'T you go jump on antguzzle backside for 0ver 19 thread starters and NO GAS PRICE POSTS???
I have complained about LOWHACK this jerk spammed posted gas prices for OVER SIX (6) mo. OH and your name sake GB Direct posting gas prices with only $.10 jumps between prices and stations that DO NOT EVEN HAVE DIESEL PUMPS. Which allot of us around the northern IN area have complained about.
Response??? Nada, none, zip, zilch,
Complain to the poster??? They know what they are doing and could care less. All they want is the points. I know I only stated two here I am not going to ramble on and on.
And buy the way LOWHACK finally got banned this week (not my doing unfortunately) I just do not feel I have to complain on a daily basses to get ANYTHING DONE.
Why not post what is going on a national discussion forums?
This is a national web sight and when complaining about a problem here maybe JUST maybe the people that run this site will take notice????
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kookiwoogi
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 2:07:46 PM
All the signs I see, all have diesel posted as tax-exempt. The only difference in tax-exempt is that they have to pay later. It is call ed IFTA tax for each state you drive in.
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2011370Z
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 12:45:46 PM
I see where a rookie author posted a diesel price for a mobil station that does'nt sell diesel.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 11:25:59 AM
All the public pumps that I see show the true pricing ... besides, off-road diesel has a color marker in it, and if they catch you running it on the roads, there's a hefty fine involved.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 10:39:51 AM
First, profanity, even implied, isn't appropriate in the discussion forums.
Second, as said below, diesel prices posted on the overhead and "floor" signs are those for regular passenger car/truck customers. I can't think of any gas station that post the tax exempt price unless it was CLEARLY marked.
But you wrote that "To many drive by posters..." Too many? Are you saying that this is a recurring problem, that a lot of people are somehow finding tax exempt diesel prices to post? If they are, why not send them a message and let them know that they made a mistake, or post your complain in the local Indiana discussion category instead of complaining in the national discussion forums, where you're complaining to people across the United States and Canada?
As a side note, and I know it's going to sound cynical, even if they're making mistakes posting prices (or else they're not noting that it's the Tax Exempt price in the comments section), at least they're posting gas prices. With more than nine months membership, you've averaged little more than one gas price post a week. Maybe if you posted gas prices a little more frequently, the correct non-tax exempt price, your fellow Gas Buddy members might notice their mistake. A side benefit to your posting just a little more frequently, perhaps two gas price posts a week, is you'd double the amount of information you give your fellow Gas Buddy members and help them be more knowledgeable shoppers. Just a suggestion, that's all.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 7:42:49 PM
This must be a state or local issue . the price in Arizona that is posted is the price all light duty users pay . this topic should be in local chat listing not in a national listing
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jcpatriots
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 7:25:23 PM
I'm assuming you mean they're posting the price of the off road diesel? I've never seen anyone do that around here at the stations that sell off road diesel, but who knows? Maybe it's the owner or a friend of the station owner posting the lower diesel price to attract people to visit the station, thinking the auto diesel is actually that low?
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