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PD Moderator	Message Posted: Mar 27, 2012 10:19:10 AM Ignore PD Report Abuse Will Rogers, the famous vaudevillian, humorist and social commentator of the 1920s and '30s, was loved and respected internationally for his common sense and his droll, down-to-earth manner. And as anyone who remembers him could tell you, he often remarked "...Well, all I know is what I read in the papers." And the more I read the papers, the more it scares me. Back in January police in New York arrested a man in Kent on charges of DWI. The Putnam County 911 call center had received calls from several passing motorists reporting an erratic driver. Police found him; saw the car weaving across the road and into the opposite lane of traffic. When they stopped the driver, Eugene Dollinger, 54, the police smelled alcohol... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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Will Rogers, the famous vaudevillian, humorist and social commentator of the 1920s and '30s, was loved and respected internationally for his common sense and his droll, down-to-earth manner.

And as anyone who remembers him could tell you, he often remarked "...Well, all I know is what I read in the papers."
And the more I read the papers, the more it scares me.

Back in January police in New York arrested a man in Kent on charges of DWI. The Putnam County 911 call center had received calls from several passing motorists reporting an erratic driver. Police found him; saw the car weaving across the road and into the opposite lane of traffic. When they stopped the driver, Eugene Dollinger, 54, the police smelled alcohol...

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 4:54:25 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse jeff: it's not just the current admin. Since 9/11 ppl have clamored for feeling "safe and secure" - well... the tradeoff is that we lost lots of freedoms in the years following 9/11.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:4,244 Points:1,076,570 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 6:04:01 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse No common sense with this liberal left leaning anti business president. Hopefully he will be a 1 term president.
monarch57 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,630 Points:135,850 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 1:30:13 PM Ignore monarch57 Report Abuse They need to toughen the laws on drivers like that, take their drivers licence away for life and a stiff jail sentence.
123cowboy Champion Author Maine Posts:1,833 Points:403,570 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 5:05:16 AM Ignore 123cowboy Report Abuse go or gone?...
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 4:58:55 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse jd: freedom is no longer at risk, it has already been partly taken away -- people wanted it that way after 9/11 b/c feeling safe was more important than their freedom.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,073 Points:2,347,460 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 2:09:15 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse The two examples given have gone too far, there are consequences for your actions. Some state and city governments have implemented laws and surveillance cameras to monitor traffic and individuals. The TSA Nazi's at the airport are another example where harassing the general traveling public has gone way too far. 12/22/2012!
Cheepo Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,889 Points:3,128,005 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 4:13:54 PM Ignore Cheepo Report Abuse Leave me alone already!!!
ROSYMI Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,028 Points:370,250 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 12:31:02 PM Ignore ROSYMI Report Abuse more federal regulations
puinsai808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,554 Points:729,255 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 10:52:22 AM Ignore puinsai808 Report Abuse Okay [Edited by: puinsai808 at 3/28/2012 11:53:51 AM EST]
jdbgn Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:13,490 Points:2,059,460 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 10:23:42 AM Ignore jdbgn Report Abuse Be careful about how broad of a brush is used. The laws need to be enforced not enhanced. Freedom is at risk if you let the politicians have their way.
bart_reed Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,984 Points:787,580 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 10:06:35 AM Ignore bart_reed Report Abuse The police, when notified, need to go after a danger to all, before others get hurt.
nd73 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,082 Points:489,450 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:52:12 AM Ignore nd73 Report Abuse Laws are only as good as the enforcement. The 2nd DUI should require community service working with auto accident victims and suspended license. The 3rd DUI should carry jail time and revocation of license. 4th DUI should require automatic 5 year prison time. People who continually scoff at the law and place others in mortal danger are a menace to society and should be separated from the public.
gvan Champion Author Chicago Posts:21,548 Points:2,838,240 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:51:24 AM Ignore gvan Report Abuse Maybe prison isn't the right choice but there should be some kind of disciplinary action such as community service. Maybe they could be assigned to assist in the emergency room of a hospital so they can see what happens when driving impaired. At present there seems to be very little incentive for them to not drive without a license.
mnorthwood13 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,385 Points:763,935 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:48:26 AM Ignore mnorthwood13 Report Abuse If they stopped siphoning the funds from the road budgets we'd be in better shape.
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,337 Points:1,753,480 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:42:04 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse Yesterday I thought cutting the right leg off just above the knee would be a good solution today, I feel a cinder block wired to each of the dummies feet would be as effective and cost less.
JXQW Champion Author Kansas City Posts:2,787 Points:684,925 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:42:01 AM Ignore JXQW Report Abuse it is hard for government to do much more than now. some people just simply do not care for others life, probably not even themselves ...
jpk13 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:8,640 Points:1,596,830 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:41:05 AM Ignore jpk13 Report Abuse You cannot put enough cops on the road to stop this kind of driving or any other kind of distracted driving.
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,082 Points:1,973,890 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:39:16 AM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse Laws cannot protect us from STUPIDITY.
orcar Champion Author Boise Posts:2,068 Points:779,715 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:38:48 AM Ignore orcar Report Abuse Short of chaining this guy to a wall nothing will stop him from driving. As for the woman, she is too dumb to have a license. [Edited by: orcar at 3/28/2012 10:39:18 AM EST]
mackconsult Champion Author Portland Posts:5,309 Points:864,355 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:38:28 AM Ignore mackconsult Report Abuse all the way
slvrdo_dsprdo Champion Author Nashville Posts:4,707 Points:913,990 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:38:13 AM Ignore slvrdo_dsprdo Report Abuse This story was here yesterday, but yeah, these people should have been in jail, not free to get behind the wheel again.
Digger52 Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,417 Points:850,885 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:37:45 AM Ignore Digger52 Report Abuse OK
naiiawah Champion Author Boise Posts:2,400 Points:691,800 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:37:21 AM Ignore naiiawah Report Abuse No, laws like this don't protect you, defensive driving does. Adding more laws isn't going to change things either. By definition, the person is IMPAIRED! Do you think any law, new or otherwise, is going to change that state of affairs and keep them from getting behind the wheel? WTF were either of these people doing free? Why weren't they still in jail from the original occurrence? If we can't use the laws we have effectively, what good are more.
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,092 Points:2,759,770 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:37:16 AM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse What are our jails too full? That is right California had to release a bunch of criminals after the courts said let them go.
uptherefiners Champion Author Chicago Posts:5,048 Points:1,002,000 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:37:14 AM Ignore uptherefiners Report Abuse how about confiscation of the vehicles used in the commission of a crime? it's done for dope peddlers. these idiots are no less dangerous if they want to keep driving buzzed, make them buy a new vehicle every time they're caught DUI or there's this other thing called prison
twiper1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,842 Points:1,608,010 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:37:12 AM Ignore twiper1 Report Abuse the first offence should be the last one
bodu All-Star Author Vancouver Posts:912 Points:281,280 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:36:30 AM Ignore bodu Report Abuse Zero tolerance. Tons of steel flying down the roadways towards my family? I will gladly end your right to drive. [Edited by: bodu at 3/28/2012 10:36:49 AM EST]
Barfood Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,311 Points:1,019,630 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:35:56 AM Ignore Barfood Report Abuse That's certainly some incredulous stories.
bullseye100 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,434 Points:586,155 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:35:09 AM Ignore bullseye100 Report Abuse Toyotaguy, I agree but most of these idiots will drive without a license. The only way to stop that is to lock them up.
lightbulbman2008 Champion Author Worcester Posts:415,500 Points:1,589,585 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:34:00 AM Ignore lightbulbman2008 Report Abuse not far enough...
toyotaguy Rookie Author San Jose Posts:57 Points:1,071,215 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:30:10 AM Ignore toyotaguy Report Abuse Some people just don't get it. Thay should nevre be allowed to drive again. They will do it again and again until they hurt or kill someone. Some never learn.
viperahul Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,235 Points:597,375 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:30:03 AM Ignore viperahul Report Abuse And tailgaters...
knutzAL Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,248 Points:372,680 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:29:41 AM Ignore knutzAL Report Abuse Plenty of laws, just enforce them. Simple really!
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Amanstrom Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,857 Points:539,780 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:29:24 AM Ignore Amanstrom Report Abuse Interesting
Insuremn Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,962 Points:1,032,960 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:29:24 AM Ignore Insuremn Report Abuse Ok.
PrepHermit Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,111 Points:1,646,130 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:27:57 AM Ignore PrepHermit Report Abuse How much did he pay to fill up before getting pulled over?
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,546 Points:1,687,340 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:27:22 AM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse I worry more about being protected from stupid Police.Around eight years ago I pulled my Suburban over to the right shoulder and stopped. An on comming car. A small car driving on the wrong side of the road with high beams still managed to hit my stoppedSuburban.A dumb Dutchess County Deputy did not listen to me as I told him I was on the right shoulder and stopped. He was shining a flash light in my eyes.The EMT asked how I knew the cop. He said he knew me.The EMT also said the flash light was a field sobriety test.A woman half my age and half my weight was driving on the wrong side of the road with high beams hit my truck was unaware I was stopped, and traveled several hundred feet and rounded a curve before stopping.By the time I walked to where she stopped I observed her carrying on with two young guys who came out of a house.I did not knot the girl who appeared high as a kite laughing and giggleing was the driver and the sober guys wer passers-by.The cop never had her checked for DUI. I was given the flashlight test several times!
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,413 Points:1,489,725 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:27:15 AM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse texting and driving is RECKLESS DRIVING!!!
grammamNV Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,335 Points:372,425 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:26:27 AM Ignore grammamNV Report Abuse you just can't fix stupid
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,682 Points:2,621,580 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:25:42 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse These are two examples of the type of individuals that need to be taken off the road by force if needed.. The next big thing is TEXTING just as bad as DUI..
papou Champion Author Tampa Posts:10,894 Points:1,908,285 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:24:11 AM Ignore papou Report Abuse We need protection from bad drivers,also no lights on at night ?
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:15,745 Points:3,110,075 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:24:06 AM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse As far as putting repeat offenders in the klink, analyzers on starters or confiscating cars - depending on the priors. If gov't can go so far as consider banning smoking outside (that's right in Ont. have selected bans to outside areas like patios, playgrounds & prov. parks - I agree with all but maybe the last one), then DUI's deserve more. By the way I'm a converted non-smoker & still think this ones crazy & unenforceable!!!
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:8,189 Points:1,619,115 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:24:05 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse There are too many chronic drunk drivers who are allowed to continue driving. Enforce the existing laws.
windows7isfast Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:2,419 Points:493,200 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:23:28 AM Ignore windows7isfast Report Abuse WOW
scrossi Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,894 Points:1,050,440 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:23:14 AM Ignore scrossi Report Abuse I agree shari128.
suzyq2007 Champion Author Dallas Posts:7,179 Points:1,652,875 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:22:50 AM Ignore suzyq2007 Report Abuse if someone is drinking and driving, they need to be taken off the road.
Lenguado Champion Author Orlando Posts:17,711 Points:3,065,990 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:22:35 AM Ignore Lenguado Report Abuse "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers." ~~ B. Hussein Obama, San Francisco Chronicle - January 2008
Beboper Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,737 Points:2,165,740 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:22:27 AM Ignore Beboper Report Abuse old news
BudsterMO Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,720 Points:705,880 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 28, 2012 9:21:54 AM Ignore BudsterMO Report Abuse You build a safety net for the masses not the exceptional outliers.