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PD Moderator	Message Posted: May 4, 2012 10:29:05 AM Ignore PD Report Abuse If you're one of those folks who scratch their heads when the U.S. government tries to pump up one industry, one energy source, or one kind of vehicle versus another, and at the same time penalize competitors in related industries, while undermining products fueled by other energy sources... Then you've probably noticed that anyone in your neighborhood who's driving an Electric Vehicle (EV) like the Nissan Leaf, or the Chevy Volt ($40k, MSRP) or a Cadillac Escalade Hybrid SUV hybrid... isn't shopping for clothes and housewares at Goodwill. Incidentally, if you're in the market, the 2012 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid, which Cadillac calls "the world's first and only full-size luxury hybrid SUV", it has a MSRP range between $... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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If you're one of those folks who scratch their heads when the U.S. government tries to pump up one industry, one energy source, or one kind of vehicle versus another, and at the same time penalize competitors in related industries, while undermining products fueled by other energy sources...

Then you've probably noticed that anyone in your neighborhood who's driving an Electric Vehicle (EV) like the Nissan Leaf, or the Chevy Volt ($40k, MSRP) or a Cadillac Escalade Hybrid SUV hybrid... isn't shopping for clothes and housewares at Goodwill.

Incidentally, if you're in the market, the 2012 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid, which Cadillac calls "the world's first and only full-size luxury hybrid SUV", it has a MSRP range between $...

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Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,982 Points:1,278,925 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: May 19, 2012 10:53:44 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Baloney...let em stand on their own.
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,127 Points:294,405 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 19, 2012 12:13:45 PM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse ok
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,362 Points:1,482,960 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2012 8:23:31 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse old news
99dakota Champion Author Providence Posts:8,122 Points:2,174,950 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: May 19, 2012 8:17:07 AM Ignore 99dakota Report Abuse what a waste. let us keep our $ and spend as we choose
D61 Rookie Author British Columbia Posts:90 Points:82,575 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 5:11:34 PM Ignore D61 Report Abuse More gov.bs
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,127 Points:294,405 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 3:30:57 PM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse ok
StillWillIV Sophomore Author South Bend Posts:185 Points:361,995 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 2:06:30 PM Ignore StillWillIV Report Abuse Hmmm
rbgamble Veteran Author New Jersey Posts:438 Points:987,025 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 7, 2012 1:57:23 PM Ignore rbgamble Report Abuse Sounds good to me, How do I go about getting the extra $2,500 credit on my Volt?
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,588 Points:1,774,820 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:41:38 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Is this day 2 or day 3 for the same article? Stop the subsidies. Especially to those who can buy $80K Cadillac SUV's. Use your own dime not ours.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,362 Points:1,482,960 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 8:27:13 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse not good for us but good for them
cleangasprices Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:315 Points:72,515 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 6, 2012 5:15:53 AM Ignore cleangasprices Report Abuse I would buy electric vehicles when the fit my budget
rickfro All-Star Author San Diego Posts:685 Points:329,345 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 11:26:14 PM Ignore rickfro Report Abuse Encourage alternatives without breaking the bank.
RalphHightower Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,314 Points:691,430 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 5:04:52 PM Ignore RalphHightower Report Abuse It is as absurd as the Tea Baggers and Republicans in South Carolina wanting a tax credit or voucher to send their spoiled brats to private school.
feistyfella All-Star Author Georgia Posts:881 Points:195,495 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 4:33:45 PM Ignore feistyfella Report Abuse Snap
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:10,129 Points:2,096,995 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 2:54:38 PM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse The cost is to high for the short term gain.
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,810 Points:1,587,125 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 2:47:26 PM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse These EV's and hybrids have to be able to survive on their own.
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,362 Points:1,482,960 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 12:20:50 PM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse not nice
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,857 Points:1,627,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 10:51:45 AM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse That is nothing compared to the $538 million loan guarantee given to Solyndra which went under after taking the loan.
fracknsave Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,666 Points:58,000 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 10:50:39 AM Ignore fracknsave Report Abuse government meddling in the marketplace to create an unattainable utopia
phantom00 Rookie Author Virginia Beach Posts:32 Points:34,145 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:20:17 AM Ignore phantom00 Report Abuse If you can afford an electric vehicle or a Cadillac Escalade Hybrid, you don't need a taxpayer credit up to $3400...
Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:8,299 Points:1,677,455 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:13:06 AM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse When the hybrid vehicle is ready it will be able to sell itself. Remember back to the first time the VW Bettle came out. It sold itself without any pushing from governments.
glride Rookie Author Knoxville Posts:15 Points:488,565 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:12:04 AM Ignore glride Report Abuse I would like to see the hybrids mileage increased by 50 percent, then I would seriously consider becoming an owner
TAT36 Champion Author Florida Posts:6,814 Points:1,305,950 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:08:22 AM Ignore TAT36 Report Abuse Another case of government telling us what we need or what is best for us, even if most of us don't want or can't afford it. Mostly the subsidies will go to buyers who can pay cash for a car or have employment that lets them afford $500 plus a month car payments.
JCUBE Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,580 Points:1,917,170 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:04:27 AM Ignore JCUBE Report Abuse Not gas price related, but the taxpayer is getting the short end ot the schtick again.
bladecutter Champion Author Houston Posts:4,866 Points:986,025 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:03:37 AM Ignore bladecutter Report Abuse No subsidies.
Old Timer Champion Author Akron Posts:3,752 Points:1,264,965 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 7:03:10 AM Ignore Old Timer Report Abuse It figures!
PADI Champion Author Ontario Posts:5,144 Points:1,261,870 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:58:47 AM Ignore PADI Report Abuse The tax payer always pays in the end.
yvonneIL Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,729 Points:740,075 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:58:45 AM Ignore yvonneIL Report Abuse ok
Pointtx Champion Author Austin Posts:3,246 Points:727,030 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:58:08 AM Ignore Pointtx Report Abuse Lazy. Oooh - look at all the taxpayer money that went to all those rich people. How about a sanity check - how many of those really expensive hybrids were sold, -vs- the less expensive Honda and Toyota models?
BartBuzz Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,895 Points:1,777,710 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:57:28 AM Ignore BartBuzz Report Abuse Stupid government subsidies.
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,322 Points:1,523,370 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:56:33 AM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse ...nothing surprising...someone has to buy the first ones before the price starts to drop...this is just like anything else, the early adopters have the money to pay the high prices to buy the product.
smqua Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,692 Points:587,700 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:55:52 AM Ignore smqua Report Abuse The free market will solve this issue f we let it
neptune2008 Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,583 Points:1,671,675 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:55:38 AM Ignore neptune2008 Report Abuse I dont know ANYone who got this!
Jizme Champion Author Lincoln Posts:9,891 Points:2,907,725 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:55:28 AM Ignore Jizme Report Abuse Bla, bla, bla, whatever.
millerin Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,322 Points:483,315 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:54:50 AM Ignore millerin Report Abuse go forward
traumer Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:5,384 Points:1,340,400 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:54:24 AM Ignore traumer Report Abuse It's disguting.
GTSHELBY All-Star Author Ottawa Posts:553 Points:957,150 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:53:38 AM Ignore GTSHELBY Report Abuse Do we have a choice
CSharpGuy Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:9,482 Points:1,900,335 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:52:41 AM Ignore CSharpGuy Report Abuse Can I opt out my tax money?
SpruceGuse2 Champion Author Michigan Posts:9,744 Points:2,456,635 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:52:07 AM Ignore SpruceGuse2 Report Abuse Better than taking athletes to court for playing a game with no government connections.............................
Group23 Champion Author Greensboro Posts:1,243 Points:438,440 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:52:04 AM Ignore Group23 Report Abuse spend spend spend
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,258 Points:1,475,780 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:51:28 AM Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse that is only about $135,000,000.00 too much
Boo1989 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,183 Points:1,351,520 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:49:41 AM Ignore Boo1989 Report Abuse stop this corporate well fare!
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,886 Points:1,200,840 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:48:33 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse . . . whenever Govt subsidies or major tax rebates come about, it's never for the middle and lower classes - never. It's always about gov't paybacks to major campaign contributors. Whatever happened to government staying out of business and letting the economic standards weed out less proficient - if a business cannot run on it's own merits, it should not be governments place to pump cash into it. If you own a small dealership and cannot manage to make it go, why should our taxpayer dollars go to boost your inadequacies? Obama is now pushing for an upfront $10,000 rebate on electric cars - for who's best interest? Chevrolet's? For you the tax payer? For who? Is it a re-election ploy? How does that help you specifically? You send in your taxes so that Jay Leno can get an instant $10,000 rebate on a Chevy Volt? [Edited by: jdhelm at 5/5/2012 7:50:06 AM EST]
silverfoxv65 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,490 Points:1,232,000 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:46:28 AM Ignore silverfoxv65 Report Abuse Keep it going.
stickyvalves Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,285 Points:1,559,670 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:46:24 AM Ignore stickyvalves Report Abuse No subsidies needed.
gas4433 Champion Author Houston Posts:2,367 Points:547,700 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:45:42 AM Ignore gas4433 Report Abuse Ok
Pramodsharma Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,974 Points:388,140 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:45:29 AM Ignore Pramodsharma Report Abuse Can someone name taxpayer? Who is taxpayer, aren't we all? Who is taking subsidies? WE... If is is for good cause, no body should have heart burn
Valricoslash Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,704 Points:1,355,175 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:44:07 AM Ignore Valricoslash Report Abuse Stop the subsideis. If they want a Chevy Volt or a Nissan Leaf, or a Fiskar, or any other EV let them pay full price. Actually, since the Volt is rally a hybrid, why is it getting a subsidy in the first place??? I don't theik the other hybrids like the Prius, Fusion, Lincoln MKZ, Honda, etc. are getting subsideies.
RangerTrainer Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,468 Points:611,395 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:43:37 AM Ignore RangerTrainer Report Abuse Enough is enough.
12766 Champion Author New York Posts:2,453 Points:1,485,365 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:43:34 AM Ignore 12766 Report Abuse ok