BurntOrange
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Message Posted: May 24, 2012 12:04:02 PM
You think the National Resources Defense council is worried about the price at the pump?
Or do they want to kill the pipeline for environmental reasons, and grasping for any reason they can to support their position?
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CdnLynx
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 11:54:59 PM
Over the last little while, so much rhetoric has passed through the news sewers, the truth has been severely soiled, so much so, if it was to reappear, it would never be recognized.
Why is everybody jumping hatefully, on the Huffington Post; calling them communist, is ludicrous; they are not, the authors of this left wing report; that dubious distinction remains with Natural Resources defense council.
The vast amount of this oil, will be the Albertan tar sands and it will be combined with the N.Dakota crude for furtherance to the oil refineries on the Gulf coast (as far as I believe). Not sure where this rhetoric started saying refined petroleum will be exported. No one is sure where it's going; we are sure it will be on the market somehow; that in itself, should lower market prices. If it should be exported; what does that really mean/matter; if crude, originated in Canada, then American refineries (due to excess refining capacity) refines the Canadian portion; why should the Canadian portion be controlled by the Americans. Yes, your refining, the N.Dakota crude and you control that; not sure why some here think you can then control the Canadian refined petroleum. If we sent it back to Canada or to the U.S North east or Atlantic coast, or we ship to the UK or Europe or wherever; that should be the Canadian prerogative. Some will elude to the tale of shipping to China; seems somewhat of a long roundabout route to travel to China. I really, wish people with agendas would quit twisting things; we are lost without the truth; refrain, from
that, as it is meant to inflame and to get the upper hand in some construed argument.
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Lugi1967
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:26:40 PM
Sure it would
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Prius_III
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:26:36 AM
I've seen some pretty convoluted logic in my day, but this one beats all. Apparently the author never heard of the law of supply and demand.
Cakes77: Please tell me that you posted this as a joke.
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 7:29:28 AM
Typical left wing spin control.
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Cakes77
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 7:22:48 AM
Thanks for your nice comments folks on this article. Keep them coming!
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Jumpmaster82
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 5:18:02 AM
The premise of this article flies in the face of logic... as a rise in oil supply will lead to a rise in costs for that commodity? Easily the most ridiculous article ever written, and proves that just because someone wrote something doesn't mean its true. Complete lunacy here!
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slowpoke
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 3:05:56 AM
One more good reason to use a diesel powered vehicle.
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LilRedWagonIN
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 11:29:16 PM
Results of studies are predetermined by the political agenda of the authors. Huffington's political perspective negates any objectivity in explaining conflicting reports.
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el_fr
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 11:16:40 PM
I think Swift misunderstood the study
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 9:24:33 PM
Seriously, can anyone say they are NOT surprised the NRDC would come to this conclusion? A real shocker there! LOL.
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mike1881
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 8:02:22 PM
But will it give us jobs? A fly farts and that will raise gas prices.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 7:57:10 PM
leraar2: it's all going to be exported anyway; so no benefit to US consumers.
All too true, leraar2. Sadly, some members lack the intelligence to understand this point. Now, if Congress passes a law that stipulates that the US will get some large portion of this oil, then hell yeah, go for it. No chance of that happening.
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bl626
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 7:18:40 PM
there is always two sides to a story...
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leraar2
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 6:07:10 PM
it's all going to be exported anyway;
so no benefit to US consumers.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 3:51:06 PM
Sorry thighs... the bias is yours...
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 3:48:52 PM
ahhhhhh listerone provides a verbal self-portrait of himself... (grin)...AGAIN!!!!!(and showcases his profound ignorance).....AGAIN
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 5/22/2012 4:51:26 PM EST]
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listerone
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 3:36:54 PM
Huffington Post = Communist Rag = Rat Party Tabloid.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 3:21:09 PM
Interesting.... FLPREP proved prices will rise because of the pipeline... (grin) and didn't even realize it....
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FPLREP
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 2:32:37 PM
From the article..."That's because if Midwestern refineries are forced to pay a higher price for oil, as East Coast refineries already do, they will be forced to respond by reducing their production and further decreasing U.S. gasoline supplies, according to the report." Yes that is the right way to do business. If it cost you more you refine less? Would make more sense to refine more to produce more product to increase profits.
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batloverNM
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 2:26:16 PM
Forget importing oil even from Canada. Go electric!
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bigthighs
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 2:10:40 PM
The huffington puffington post is spinning that the sources I cant say is true they are a baised news group who don't like anything that will actually help the USA.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:46:38 PM
Sorry humble..... real people don't believe in the "factless fairy queens" from the GOP,Faux...etc.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:44:40 PM
Well documented how humblepie hates facts...... and would rather be delusional and believe in the GOP "factless fairy queens" (grin)
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:42:48 PM
I'm sure the people in the midwest will love the price hikes you are asking for......Van Halen...
To quote.....
"Other findings in the report include that the pipeline will increase the price of crude oil in the Midwest and Rocky Mountains by over $20 a barrel, increasing the cost of Canadian tar sands by as much as $27 billion annually. These higher crude oil costs are expected to lead to deteriorating financial conditions in Rocky Mountain and Midwestern refineries, which could in turn result in decreased production. That's because if Midwestern refineries are forced to pay a higher price for oil, as East Coast refineries already do, they will be forced to respond by reducing their production and further decreasing U.S. gasoline supplies, according to the report.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:40:47 PM
if its on huffpost, it MUST be true right ?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:40:17 PM
So Van Halen... even the reports points to price hikes due to supply and demand....
"The report found the pipeline will increase U.S. gasoline prices by three mechanisms, most immediately by reducing the amount of gasoline produced in the United States.
The pipeline will divert crude oil from Midwestern refineries, which are designed to produce as much gasoline as possible from a barrel of oil, to Texas Gulf refineries, which are designed to produce as much diesel as possible from a barrel of oil.
The result in the immediate to short term will be a decline in gasoline production and an increase in diesel, according to the report.
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:35:33 PM
If any posters are actually interested in the facts. Use the report as a starting point and do your own research. But make it real research...not just relying on the GOP nutballs to give talkkking points...(grin)
Question 1) What was TransCanada's selling point to Canada and Canadians?
Question 2) What has been the GOP selling point to the Americans?
Are they the same?
If not, someone, if not both, are lying.
[Edited by: Gnusman53 at 5/22/2012 2:36:45 PM EST]
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Cakes77
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:31:43 PM
"The Natural Resources Defense Council. I just stopped reading right there. Tells me everything I need to know."
umm.. what would you believe - The Oilman's Billionaire Defense Fund?
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D61
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:26:45 PM
Defense council?Mmm
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:25:07 PM
Seems facts is something Van Halen hates with a passion.
Supply and demand? Right? If local supply is plenty -- prices are lower. If local supply is rare.... prices are higher.
A pipeline moves supply from one area to another. So the glut disappears....moved to someplace else.....and no longer is a glut or lower prices.
CONGRATS Van Halen... you are arguing for higher gas and oil prices...As to the journalistic capabilities of the HP, sorry, you seem to be ill-equipped to acknowledge the EXTREMELY professional backgrounds of the journalists who work there.....
But then, if you think Faux, WorldNutballDaily,TownieHall etc are professional.....that explains just how tainted your visionand judgement really is...
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:19:17 PM
Seems the posters have been guzzling too much kool-aid from the GOP again....
They cite market forces.....yet forget that a glut can bring prices down. If the pipeline eliminates the glut..... what happens to the prices ^^^^^^^^
Note the nattering nabobs haven't noting TransCanada and the GOP telling two COMPLETELY AND OPPOSITE reasons to built it...
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Van_Halen
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:16:39 PM
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Another full load of CRAP from the HuffingAndPuffing Post! Supply and demand that one learns in the first year of College proves this false and biased piece of non-reporting to be totally untrue! But of course the reporters that work for the Huffing And Puffing Post didn't even learn Journalism much less Economics 101!
The fact for the first time ever last week that Oil went North in the Oklahoma Pipeline to get refined proves that the Keystone Pipeline is A) needed and B) would cause gasoline prices to fall!
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TableTalk
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:10:40 PM
Considering the source is a lawyer for the "Extremist, Liberal Think Tank [that] Attacks More Than It Defends", I'm not surprised by the outcome which does not take into account common sense market forces.
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Skunk63
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 1:00:59 PM
The Natural Resources Defense Council. I just stopped reading right there. Tells me everything I need to know.
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tatker
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 12:39:18 PM
hmmmm.
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stpetebp
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 12:24:45 PM
The only reason they want the Keystone pipeline in is so that they can export it as fast as we can make it for them.
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Cakes77
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 12:19:57 PM
Boy, they had BETTER get this one right! LOL
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